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[saturation]

they do get that intro message from SG

Lurk more lol

for young kids this is probably theyre first foray into forums. If they're American, they may have used reddit before, but I'm not sure what European internet is like and forums are nothing like any of the popular social media that kids use these days. Im not saying it gives them an excuse to ignore the rules they've been sent, but I think we need to be more explicit in our instruction. If we have two orientation posts that need to be combined, make it clear in each post because that's is unusual for any forum.

I don't think 'kids' are using this site, but the young people using SGF (I'd guess youngest starting at teen years, 16ish?) have grown up in the digital age anyway and thus are in close contact with the internet & such and know how to use them. And DW Europeans use Reddit and mainstream media as much as Americans do Anyway I beg to differ; I think it's just newbie enthusiasm paired with not knowing the culture (e.g. hierarchy and pecking order) in SGF. And some of the runts are just trolls.

 

[Kit]

Lurk more lol



I don't think 'kids' are using this site, but the young people using SGF (I'd guess youngest starting at teen years, 16ish?) have grown up in the digital age anyway and thus are in close contact with the internet & such and know how to use them. And DW Europeans use Reddit and mainstream media as much as Americans do Anyway I beg to differ; I think it's just newbie enthusiasm paired with not knowing the culture (e.g. hierarchy and pecking order) in SGF. And some of the runts are just trolls.

I know SG isn't around any more. I was just trying to give details about what intro message I was talking about. Im also not sorry that I dont remember every post on this forum. I truly don't remember where most of you are from or anyone's specific age. I just know I have personally been called out for being rude to an international girl over something asinine that I said so I try to be more ~aware~ now.

I dont necessarily disagree with anything you or @proseccoprincess said.

 

[ayumilovescoffee]

Okay, I never thought I would be defending newbies but do they only get the pinned FT Orientation or do they get messaged the SG "getting started" one as well? The new one thats pinned in the Rules & Announcement section doesn't make any mention of an introduction post on unless its in one of the links. If it is in one of the links, that's probably a bad design because we've deemed it super important. The getting started message i have from SG is so outdated that im not sure it would be sent out anymore.

Unpopular opinion, but maybe if this many rookies are messing up then the orientation message is bad. If they do get that intro message from SG maybe make it clear that they have to use both the message and pinned post to be successful in the pinned post. I wouldn't chalk it up to being dumb either, Im a pretty forum savvy person, because im kind of old at this point, but for young kids this is probably theyre first foray into forums. If they're American, they may have used reddit before, but I'm not sure what European internet is like and forums are nothing like any of the popular social media that kids use these days. Im not saying it gives them an excuse to ignore the rules they've been sent, but I think we need to be more explicit in our instruction. If we have two orientation posts that need to be combined, make it clear in each post because that's is unusual for any forum.

I joined fairly recently and can vouch for the clarity of the introduction message. The message clearly states that there needs to be an gratitude post AND an introduction post. I also have never participated in a forum before SG, but I would say that the instructions are very explicit and leave no room for self interpretation.

 

[Kit]

I joined fairly recently and can vouch for the clarity of the introduction message. The message clearly states that there needs to be an gratitude post AND an introduction post. I also have never participated in a forum before SG, but I would say that the instructions are very explicit and leave no room for self interpretation.

Thanks for the information. I'll go crawl back from where I came from for ever doubting FT

 

[FashionThin]

@Kit I'm pretty sure @FashionThin has updated the intro message and sends it from her account

Correct.

If a runt is too dumb to understand that, maybe she shouldn't be a member here. I don't particularly want our members to be the average redditors/proana Twitter users. Furthermore, I don't get why anyone expects us to care about the opinions of a newbie who hasn't even introduced herself, so it's pretty common sense.

Yip, I'm sorry but if someone doesn't have the brains and/or attention span to make it to #4 in a list that's only 7 items long, what's the chances they will be a good member?

 

[FashionThin]

Thanks for the information. I'll go crawl back from where I came from for ever doubting FT

FWIW I am open minded about how to improve initiation without catering to idiots. Making it smoother isn't necessarily bad, but it can be a good filter.

 

[Natalie]

FWIW I am open minded about how to improve initiation without catering to idiots. Making it smoother isn't necessarily bad, but it can be a good filter.

Just a thought as something "extra"—maybe links to the intro message translated into different languages for our ESL speakers? I'm sure there are members here that would be willing to volunteer for translating, I'd be more than happy to do French myself!

My thought was maybe clarity is an issue for some people because of a language barrier... (or I'm just giving too much of a benefit of the doubt).

 

[longlegz]

Just a thought as something "extra"—maybe links to the intro message translated into different languages for our ESL speakers? I'm sure there are members here that would be willing to volunteer for translating, I'd be more than happy to do French myself!

My thought was maybe clarity is an issue for some people because of a language barrier... (or I'm just giving too much of a benefit of the doubt).

But they'll have to communicate in English later anyway? I think if they were able to fill in the answers to get in they should be able to understand the introduction message as well? Plus they can always try to use Google, ask someone who knows English or ask on the SGF site if something's unclear.

 

[ZouZou]

FWIW I am open minded about how to improve initiation without catering to idiots. Making it smoother isn't necessarily bad, but it can be a good filter.

Maybe make n.4 become n.1?
It’s the only thing I can think of, other than that the welcome message is foolproof. I don’t believe the problem is runts being “stupid”, I think it mostly revolves about them being careless and lazy - people tend to ignore messages that take more than 15 seconds to be read.
Soooo, just an idea, maybe introducing - harsher - punishments for those who do not fulfill what they’ve been asked (see: a slap, a banner of shame...?) could help improve the runts scenario?

 

[Tinyportia]

Maybe make n.4 become n.1?

I like the current order tbh. Listing the Introduction requirement as number 4 is a good way to test whether or not someone actually bothers to read the first half of the Welcome message. Plus, Thanking The Cock is more important imo.

Curious as to what numbers 5-7 are though (the screenshot only goes up to number 4).

maybe introducing - harsher - punishments for those who do not fulfill what they’ve been asked (see: a slap, a banner of shame...?) could help improve the runts scenario?

Definitely down for this. I’ve noticed one or two new runts who joined a while ago and are always online but they haven’t yet thanked the Bullcock or posted an intro. Pisses me off tbqh. It’s one thing if you join and then never log in again. But if you’re always logged in and enjoying the benefits of the site then there’s no excuse for not following the requirements.