Real fur, thoughts?
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^^wearing fur/leather is negotiated in agency contracts along with nudity and lingerie.
all models know this
Like @Artemis said, if she was against it, it would be made very clear to the client well before she was booked.
I love the mystery VIP who
Like @Artemis said, if she was against it, it would be made very clear to the client well before she was booked.
1. knows nothing about the fashion industry, only tweeny nepo celebs
2. attempts to start shit with other VIPs
very mysterious
Well, I don't know any VIPs like thatI love the mystery VIP who
1. knows nothing about the fashion industry, only tweeny nepo celebs
2. attempts to start shit with other VIPs
very mysterious
I love the mystery VIP who
1. knows nothing about the fashion industry, only tweeny nepo celebs
2. attempts to start shit with other VIPs
very mysterious
Well, I don't know any VIPs like that
Well, I don't know any VIPs like that
civil discussions and compliments ( @bingeonvogue
) trigger side hoes. 
I personally love fur coats and I wish that I could afford one (haven't seen any in second hand stores so far). I remember buying a rabbitskin at a fair when I was younger. Everyone commended on how cruel it was and how horrible I was for buying it
I guess I can understand how some people might think it's cruel, but so are many things. Most regular clothes are made under sketchy conditions too.
If everyone in the world owned 10 fur coats then that would obviously be a major problem, but I'm guessing it regulates it self quite well. Some like fur, others thinks it's gross and some find it tacky. Also it might not be relevant to have a fur coat if you live in a warm climate...
Like with everything else it's about moderation. If everyone turned vegan we would have major problems too. So long as everyone wears and eats something different it should balance it self out.
I guess I can understand how some people might think it's cruel, but so are many things. Most regular clothes are made under sketchy conditions too.
If everyone in the world owned 10 fur coats then that would obviously be a major problem, but I'm guessing it regulates it self quite well. Some like fur, others thinks it's gross and some find it tacky. Also it might not be relevant to have a fur coat if you live in a warm climate...
Like with everything else it's about moderation. If everyone turned vegan we would have major problems too. So long as everyone wears and eats something different it should balance it self out.
Yes, my agent makes it very clear to any potential clients about fur to the anon who clearly doesn't understand contracts...
I was actually a student living in Vienna when I decided that I couldn't take the cold any longer, and bought a vintage fur. I only use public transport, am mostly vegetarian, and buy everything I can second hand. I probably consume half of what the average American does. I feel zero guilt rocking my coat. I've named it Bob.
My contribution, and I feel like this topic is broad enough now that I can add this;
As part of an enviro science unit I went to an abattoir and to 'witness a sheep be processed'. I think that is one of the worst experiences of my life. It was fucked. This particular abattoir slaughters 1000 sheep per day, on such a huge scale not every sheep will be slaughtered humanely. I've seen foxes shot in the wild and one stomped to death (it was night and this little farmer we were staying with saw it from his head torch, jumped of the back of the ute and stomped it), which didn't make me feel anything, kangaroo shot and disembowelled ~ I get the whole life and death thing. But yeah, mass slaughter of animals is absolutely terrible and I don't eat beef, pork or lamb that is from the supermarket anymore. I think of cows as fairly docile and gently animals, and sheep make me laugh. Nah, just can't do it anymore. I feel so bad when I drive past them being transported. I was vegetarian, stopped being vegetarian when I became a blood donor and after this unit I'm still not a vegetarian, but after seeing that my perspective on which animals I'll eat and under which circumstances is pretty much solidified ~ just a bit of seafood and the odd serve of chicken, thanks. If you are going to kill an animal, then every part should be used. I would also probably go to a protest against live exports now as well ~ but I haven't yet and it has been a year.
As part of an enviro science unit I went to an abattoir and to 'witness a sheep be processed'. I think that is one of the worst experiences of my life. It was fucked. This particular abattoir slaughters 1000 sheep per day, on such a huge scale not every sheep will be slaughtered humanely. I've seen foxes shot in the wild and one stomped to death (it was night and this little farmer we were staying with saw it from his head torch, jumped of the back of the ute and stomped it), which didn't make me feel anything, kangaroo shot and disembowelled ~ I get the whole life and death thing. But yeah, mass slaughter of animals is absolutely terrible and I don't eat beef, pork or lamb that is from the supermarket anymore. I think of cows as fairly docile and gently animals, and sheep make me laugh. Nah, just can't do it anymore. I feel so bad when I drive past them being transported. I was vegetarian, stopped being vegetarian when I became a blood donor and after this unit I'm still not a vegetarian, but after seeing that my perspective on which animals I'll eat and under which circumstances is pretty much solidified ~ just a bit of seafood and the odd serve of chicken, thanks. If you are going to kill an animal, then every part should be used. I would also probably go to a protest against live exports now as well ~ but I haven't yet and it has been a year.
I personally don't wear fur/own any real fur pieces, but I don't condemn others that do. I eat a 95% plant based diet, but I also own leather shoes, belts, etc. When I rode horses competitively you can bet that all of my tack/boots/equipment was leather (and very high quality). There were actually protestors who showed up at a competition I was at telling us we were all hypocrites for dressing our beloved horses in dead cow.
My neighbour actually owns a beautiful mink coat that she is very proud of and has insured for a massive amount of money. I was excited for her when she got it, but I definitely wasn't running out to buy one too. I guess fur isn't part of my "aesthetic", as the kids are saying these days.
tl;dr: No issues with others wearing fur, I own a lot of leather.
My neighbour actually owns a beautiful mink coat that she is very proud of and has insured for a massive amount of money. I was excited for her when she got it, but I definitely wasn't running out to buy one too. I guess fur isn't part of my "aesthetic", as the kids are saying these days.
tl;dr: No issues with others wearing fur, I own a lot of leather.
Coming from a decade-long vegan: If I could, I'd line my sheets, my car, my toilet seat in fur: it's just tops when it comes to tactile sensations, but I very rarely like a fur piece visually. It's so easy to slip into gaudiness. While I wouldn't support animal-consumption, I don't think wearing fur is as near an immoral act as it's been made out to be; I think what makes people especially outraged is that
1. fur comes from "cute" animals (kindchenschema is the word for the weirdly protective feeling we have towards animals with big eyes and little heads in other species.) No one has these outraged feelings for snake skin, because snakes are not "cute" animals- same with cow leather, alligator, or shark. People relate to mammals more, making their bodies more taboo.
2. fur is the layer we actually see on animals. No one I know has ever rallied against cat gut being used in musical instruments because we don't conceptualize cat gut as an animal very well, in the same way you can't see the suede on a lamb while it's hopping around. Even meats aren't a direct link as you don't automatically associate an animal with its muscles, and their meat is often given other names depending on your language (like "pork, caviar, veal, steak, ect."). Fur is just a really easy visual translation of "that was an animal".
So if your fur is ethically sourced (i.e. second hand) and you have no problem with other animal products, I say go for it. It's a luxury for a reason, and faux doesn't begin to come close. People are irrational when their reasoning is based on feelings and not logic, and you're not responsible for their hypocritical illogical tantrum-y crap.
1. fur comes from "cute" animals (kindchenschema is the word for the weirdly protective feeling we have towards animals with big eyes and little heads in other species.) No one has these outraged feelings for snake skin, because snakes are not "cute" animals- same with cow leather, alligator, or shark. People relate to mammals more, making their bodies more taboo.
2. fur is the layer we actually see on animals. No one I know has ever rallied against cat gut being used in musical instruments because we don't conceptualize cat gut as an animal very well, in the same way you can't see the suede on a lamb while it's hopping around. Even meats aren't a direct link as you don't automatically associate an animal with its muscles, and their meat is often given other names depending on your language (like "pork, caviar, veal, steak, ect."). Fur is just a really easy visual translation of "that was an animal".
So if your fur is ethically sourced (i.e. second hand) and you have no problem with other animal products, I say go for it. It's a luxury for a reason, and faux doesn't begin to come close. People are irrational when their reasoning is based on feelings and not logic, and you're not responsible for their hypocritical illogical tantrum-y crap.
My issue with fur and animal products in general isn't that we shouldn't be using them at all, rather that the life of the animal was - most of the time - lived in terror, extreme torture through captivity, and then brutal and inhumane murder. Hypothetically, if a fur coat was created from a fox that lived in the wild then killed for the coat then I wouldn't have a problem with that. There is a circle of life, and killing of animals by and for each other happens literally non-stop. However, when this circle happens in the wild, the 1-15 years that the animal lived weren't taken from them and replaced with indescribable suffering.
I also don't think that the alternative of faux-fur is any better, and of course there's an argument for choosing the real over the fur. Instead I see both as awful. That being said, I'm not a martyr who claims that I make the right decision. It's nearly impossible to make any consumer decision - whether clothing or food - without consequence, but there's a difference between making a valid argument versus accepting that either way the decision causes pain.
I also don't think that the alternative of faux-fur is any better, and of course there's an argument for choosing the real over the fur. Instead I see both as awful. That being said, I'm not a martyr who claims that I make the right decision. It's nearly impossible to make any consumer decision - whether clothing or food - without consequence, but there's a difference between making a valid argument versus accepting that either way the decision causes pain.
