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I guess I wrote a book - sorry for that....

Well, it took me some time for research about what's going on right now..I have to admit I completely misunderstood everything I guess :oops:. At first I thought, it was a self-righteous immature idiot with some serious anger issues (have you seen that profile picture of "AnonOne" ?? I mean he's actually posing with a gun..promoting his 'fight for a better world' aka removing cancer from the internet..aha) who somehow managed to knock off this site's server.*
Mmh..I think I was painfully wrong
I am truly sorry for you both SG and AB for all the trouble! Therefore I'm even more thankful for you dealing with all the hatred that you are confronted with at the moment!! I am somehow still shocked and as well dazed by those comments (and actions) you have to deal with (as well as this whole community but you in the first place). I guess I have some serious issues with naivety ;)?! It's just frightening how human beings could threat someone with murder or rape - which are the worst one could face a person (esp. a young woman) with online, but that is maybe just my opinion therefore NOT objective at all. So I have to say this case (unfortunately) shows you seem to be a really good team (fortunately) for supporting each other to stand up against the stupidity and inhumanity you are faced with and still fighting for your own space of freedom of speech. I truly admire you and was (and still am) really happy to see the page that quickly back up in all its glory :luv:! Thank you!!!!

What annoys me the most about the way in which is reported about SkinnyGossip is that they NEVER contacted you (Skinny Gurl) at any time as you said but stated everything they wrote about you and your website as fact - I guess this is journalism 2.0?! Awwwwesome!*
Actually I don't see the problem with your Takedowns at all. I feel like 99% of the rage against SkinnyGossip is about "How could someone dare to call Kate Upton fat?!"*
Followed by plenty of comments containing stuff like "Have you seen her boobs? She's perfect and this is how women should look like! You must be a jealous anorexic and I would harm you in every possible way if I ever meet you for being so rude, disgracing my favorite porn fantasy. Like seriously show some respect when you talk about her" - I guess I just don't need to comment on this for the same reason I don't need to say a single word about comments like "Why don't eat a burger? If you don't have it on a daily basis but every now and than a burger is healthy!" - like WHAT?? Something unhealthy becomes healthy when you have it in moderation?? Oh Lord, please..we seriously ran out of brain down here!!!! Okay, I lost this one - I did comment on that :nopity: shame on me! Sorry..

I can understand why you saw yourself pushed into the position to explain and somehow defend yourself and SkinnyGossip and I am really happy about the way you did that! As I see it as you tried to protect your idea of your blog and the forums including all the members - thank you :kiss:! Seriously it was kind of another proof to me that I registered in a forum that IS as awesome as it seemed to me! You just found the right words to place yourself against the hate of ignorant, shameless, rude,*negligent, disrespectful..ehm..I just can't say those idiots are human beings as they don't behave human at all. How can they actually in any way BE human?!
That's why for me as a member I don't feel the need to neither explain nor defend myself or this community at all. Why? I do not harm any of the members (reading this is voluntarily :lol: ) nor do I harm myself. I can't remember anyone asking (or at least truthfully caring) about my mental or physical health, so why should I bother? If someone would actually worry about anyone's health, to shut this page down*would probably be the last (but definitely not the first or the 'curing') thing they would think of. They would make some real effort and help those who, in their opinion, needed help.
So do you think there is really a need for the members to go on defending and explaining SkinnyGossip? Would it help you? I mean, this is not my first language and I have no Facebook or Twitter account (or anything else..) so it's a little tough for me, but I would do my best :grin:. Since there are so many visitors right now who (hopefully) can read, isn't this enough?

I think using your brain avoids blaming SkinnyGossip to be the REASON for an eating disorder. You would understand that the cause for any problem of society is rooted in that particular society and not in any medium this society uses.*
"Guns don't kill people - I kill people with guns" Mr. Lajoie taught you this some time ago so why is it still so hard for you to use your brain on this??


I feel pretty sorry for you both, that those people misuse your work for their own publicity. You dedicate your hearts, time, money and especially recently a whole bunch of your nerves to run this community and the blog on the main page. It's obvious that all the attention is just for some quick $ or a lot of $$$$$ since its a very popular topic (I had no clue..). Real interest looks completely different to me (and obviously to every single member of this community) so it's just ridiculous, criminal, ignorant and dumb.*
I wasted enough time on this now, those people are so unnecessary - sorry for the rant.

That's all I can say: thanks a lot and congratulations for all you've done - I love this community! :highfive: :luv:



Besides: Thanks a lot for practicing my english - I'm still struggling, but I won't give up until I'm really satisfied (and understandable..) :luv:
 
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Oh noooooo! What did I do?? I hope you don't need to resize the server again :lol: I'm so sorry..somehow it turned out to be a ridiculously loooong post:oops: so so sorry!!!!
 

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I feel like 99% of the rage against SkinnyGossip is about "How could someone dare to call Kate Upton fat?!"*
Followed by plenty of comments containing stuff like "Have you seen her boobs? She's perfect and this is how women should look like! You must be a jealous anorexic and I would harm you in every possible way if I ever meet you for being so rude, disgracing my favorite porn fantasy. Like seriously show some respect when you talk about her" - I guess I just don't need to comment on this for the same reason I don't need to say a single word about comments like "Why don't eat a burger? If you don't have it on a daily basis but every now and than a burger is healthy!" - like WHAT?? Something unhealthy becomes healthy when you have it in moderation?? Oh Lord, please..we seriously ran out of brain down here!!!! Okay, I lost this one - I did comment on that :nopity: shame on me! Sorry..
Amen.
 
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I love that you decided to make a help page for depression/eatingdisorders/etc. It made me happy because none of us are perfect and we all struggle with things. So bravissima :luv:
Also, I think the anti-skinnygossip media did have a point when they argued about the "Starving Tips of the Day". To any outsider, there is no way that's going to sound like a safe thing. So I do think it's good that you decided to edit that. :)
 
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Oh my goodness - you really read this?! I'm not sure if I'm even more embarrassed now or if it calms me down a little bit :run:
But at least I could manage to somehow speak out on this :lol:
 

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This thread is for discussion of the Some Changes article.
What an eloquent and calm response to all the nastiness that has been directed your way. This is my favorite of your articles to date.

If anyone reads that and doesn't at least take a second thought about this site, then there's absolutely no hope for their mind, it's obviously permanently closed to differing views.
Hear hear! And kudos SG for your response to the idiot on Twitter who linked to the article but didn't actually bother to read it ("The Starving Tips section disappeared mysteriously" :rolleyes:)
 

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In response to the expanding circumference of influence SkinnyGossip has, I find these changes are necessary, for both survival and to adjust to the increase in membership. It is apparent that SkinnyGurl has invested a great deal of time into her next move and the decisions she has made have impact without being drastic.

I disagree that the internet removes one from the civic responsibility. While one cannot control what others read or interpret, ultimately, what we say defines us as a community. Therein, I find how we say what we say paramount, especially when what we say has the potential to impact many. To be honest, when I first came across SkinnyGossip (just before the forums were up) my initial reaction to the site was that of outrage and disgust much like the "normal" public's. However, I always try to look beneath the surface, whether it is to find more substance for my disdain or to prove myself wrong. My intentions are not always pure.

When I read through the Starving Tips of the Day, at that time the top five were terrible tips for actual starvation. Perhaps this was because my perception was tainted by my initial assessment of the website and what it stood for. But upon further reading, I realized that they were mostly sound, paraphrased diet tips. It took over a month for me to get used to seeing the term "Starving Tips" without feeling uncomfortable. I understood that in order to be skinny one must starve, or "feel hungry" a milder paraphrasing - strategically, intelligently not continually - but the negative connotation of the word just pulled me the wrong way. In the back of my head, I was always afraid that many would skim the Starvation Tips and decide continual starvation is the means if skinny is to be the end. Revisiting civic responsibility, I do not think that it "right" to assume that the reader is in a position to distil the valuable content from the term "Starving Tips" and employ in a way that would not harm them. Especially since some of them were legitimate tactics for prolonged starvation. I am in full support of the renaming and cleaning up of those tips. (If I can help in any way, please let me know how!)

The SkinnyGossip forums have done wonders for me. I've had body dysmorphia since I've been aware of my body and the implications its aesthetics had upon the public's perceptions of me. I've always been "skinny" by the standards of those around me when I am fat or average (depending on who you talk to) by the standards on this forum. My UGW started out at 120 (at 5'6") and upon knowing what pro-skinny was dropped to 110. Actively participating on this forum pushed that further down to 100. From the outside, it looks like this forum has completely ruined my life by making me think I need to lose 20 lbs instead of 5 lbs. But, truthfully, the community here has given me the confidence to voice what I really want and keep me accountable to those goals. Secretly, I've always wanted to be very skinny, but I had no desire to voice this because it would create waves with the people surrounding me, which I had no idea how to deal with. Now, I have the assertion to counter people who make skinny jokes of me with a "so what, I want to be skinnier because its my aesthetic preference". If people become concerned that I do not have the wherewithal to do it in a healthy manner, I start reciting fitness and nutrition manuals until they've had enough. I've always been well-informed because I am driven by a thirst for thoroughness. However, I've never had the backing of like-minded girls who are healthy and intelligent. What SkinnyGossip has done for me is give me a community of people I can consult in time of confusion and count on in time of need. I will never be able to put a price on that.

I am an SGF success story, not because of what I've lost but because of what I've gained. It angers me that revolution is now the face of quick triggered fools who fight wars for popularity rather than purpose. If any of them had bothered to ask the community how they felt about it, I'm sure there would have been an outpouring of support for what this community stands for. However, they did not because everybody has fallen into the lull of assuming the world is filled with brainless youth that have no concept of what is good for them.

I like the direction SG and SGF are taking. Sometimes change is necessary for survival. The heart of the community is not changing and that is what I would be utterly lost without.

Thank you SG, AB and all you wonderful Gurls for making my world a better place.
 
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I disagree that the internet removes one from the civic responsibility. While one cannot control what others read or interpret, ultimately, what we say defines us as a community. Therein, I find how we say what we say paramount, especially when what we say has the potential to impact many. To be honest, when I first came across SkinnyGossip (just before the forums were up) my initial reaction to the site was that of outrage and disgust much like the "normal" public's. However, I always try to look beneath the surface, whether it is to find more substance for my disdain or to prove myself wrong. My intentions are not always pure.
I totally agree! Thank you

I understood that in order to be skinny one must starve, or "feel hungry" a milder paraphrasing - strategically, intelligently not continually - but the negative connotation of the word just pulled me the wrong way.
I'd say it's more like getting used again to a natural behavior. We don't eat when hungry aka when our body lacks of energy/ nutrients but we eat because of taste, social occasion, emotions, for 'not wasting the food in our fridges' (because we bought way more than our bodies could ever NEED or USE in a week). I mean we move less and less but eat more and more stuff that is higher and higher processed and therefore NO fuel for your body - your body asks for energy and we eat rubbish our body has to waste its healthy mass to cope with. So please, you fatties don't tell me lies about true starvation or anything..:rolleyes:
Now all together: RESPONSIBILITY - That was awesome!

I am an SGF success story, not because of what I've lost but because of what I've gained. It angers me that revolution is now the face of quick triggered fools who fight wars for popularity rather than purpose. If any of them had bothered to ask the community how they felt about it, I'm sure there would have been an outpouring of support for what this community stands for. However, they did not because everybody has fallen into the lull of assuming the world is filled with brainless youth that have no concept of what is good for them.

I like the direction SG and SGF are taking. Sometimes change is necessary for survival. The heart of the community is not changing and that is what I would be utterly lost without.
So well-said! That was such a great read - thank you :flower:
 

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@Skinny Gurl I think you've handled yourself in a very dignified manner and I'm very sorry to learn that you received threats. I hope you haven't received anymore. I think it's very brave of you and AB to continue providing us with Skinny Gossip keeping the forum running. You've created a fantastic community and I really appreciate the efforts you and AB have done. :luv::kiss:
 
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I'd say it's more like getting used again to a natural behavior. We don't eat when hungry aka when our body lacks of energy/ nutrients but we eat because of taste, social occasion, emotions, for 'not wasting the food in our fridges' (because we bought way more than our bodies could ever NEED or USE in a week). I mean we move less and less but eat more and more stuff that is higher and higher processed and therefore NO fuel for your body - your body asks for energy and we eat rubbish our body has to waste its healthy mass to cope with. So please, you fatties don't tell me lies about true starvation or anything..:rolleyes:
Now all together: RESPONSIBILITY - That was awesome!
I completely agree with everything you've said. I hope you didn't take what I said as justification for people who flippantly say "I'm starving" just because their stomach grumbles. My statement was referencing IF and fasting and other forms of legitimate starvation. When a person with 17%+ body fat exclaims "Oh-my-gosh, I'm STARVING" my response is usually ":rolleyes: No, you're just hungry. Deal with it." I guess, I'm just particular about some words. In retrospect, I realize that the word "starve" has pretty much become slang in well-to-do cultures what have no realistic grasp on how wastefully they perceive consumables like food. I've seen true starvation and felt helpless for it. These are the sort of experiences I try to forcefully suppress. For that, when I see powerful words like "Starvation" followed by something like "tips" it just triggers something.

Although, I think we are just conveying the same concept in different words! Perhaps I didn't need to respond with so many words. Let's say it's a pet peeve of mine when people nonchalantly interchange words like "starvation" and "hunger". My localized society has a penchant for hyperbole and it really does no one any good.
 

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SG, I feel very sorry for you, too. Hope you are alright. Your article is written very well and hopefully some people will understand the difference between the pro ana shit and our forum. But I also guess there will be always people left who don't want to accept our mindset, who even don't want to try to understand, peolpe who want to hurt us and would, if they could. But because they can't they're hurting you via email or whatever. We all should be aware that our skinny lifestyle is very controversial and people simply are neither fair nor tollerant. The changes are good though I think. Honestly some girls in our forum are quite on the edge of health and if the links or adds could help, I think it's cool.

Much love,

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What a beautiful article, SG, loved reading every word of it! Was never a huge fan of starving tips as I thought that they did sound a bit pro-ana sometimes, so I'm very happy about these changes :)
 
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I completely agree with everything you've said. I hope you didn't take what I said as justification for people who flippantly say "I'm starving" just because their stomach grumbles. My statement was referencing IF and fasting and other forms of legitimate starvation. When a person with 17%+ body fat exclaims "Oh-my-gosh, I'm STARVING" my response is usually ":rolleyes: No, you're just hungry. Deal with it." I guess, I'm just particular about some words. In retrospect, I realize that the word "starve" has pretty much become slang in well-to-do cultures what have no realistic grasp on how wastefully they perceive consumables like food. I've seen true starvation and felt helpless for it. These are the sort of experiences I try to forcefully suppress. For that, when I see powerful words like "Starvation" followed by something like "tips" it just triggers something.

Although, I think we are just conveying the same concept in different words! Perhaps I didn't need to respond with so many words. Let's say it's a pet peeve of mine when people nonchalantly interchange words like "starvation" and "hunger". My localized society has a penchant for hyperbole and it really does no one any good.
At first: I so need to practice my English - you are amazingly eloquent :luv:! You are my eduspo :lol:

Thank you for your reply and I really appreciate you used so many words to express yourself on this one! My post was not meant to be a contradiction to your post at all! I hope you didn't think I was somewhat not content with what you said (I was!!) ! We are totally on the same page. I'm as well a little sensitive to the expression "starving". Our bodies are really starving though BUT for nutritional food. Food that deserves to be named as such.
My localized society has a penchant for overeating crap and it really does no one any good :run:
Sorry if my words were confusing..
 

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:luv: Thank you~! You make me blush. Your words are not as confusing as you think. Give yourself more credit. :grin:

Our bodies are really starving though BUT for nutritional food.
This is so true. I haven't seriously considered this before, but this will be on my mind every time I binge or am recovering from a binge.

TY. :highfive:
 
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:luv: Thank you~! You make me blush. Your words are not as confusing as you think. Give yourself more credit. :grin:



This is so true. I haven't seriously considered this before, but this will be on my mind every time I binge or am recovering from a binge.

TY. :highfive:
Oh, I'm so happy you did not misunderstand me! Maybe it was a little confusing because I was in weird mood at that time :confused:

:lol: fingers crossed it works better for you than for me! It's always on my mind when I decide to have a couple of snacks over actually cooking what my body really needs. That's so stupid, I know :rolleyes:

So many sweet girls here - I'm almost shocked ;)!
Take care and thank you, too!!
 
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The people who hate from behind their computer screens would probably never do it to our faces. Anyway (I had a bad feeling that the Starving Tips of the Day were comming down so yesterday, right before I went to bed I copied and pasted them onto my computer! :confused:
Do you think we could make a private group and you could post it there? @Skinny Gurl, would that be ok?
 
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Real sorry to hear about the threats though. Just think about the kind of person you would have to be to send messages like that to a stranger, they're a waste of space and a drain on society :facepalm:
*THIS* I bet the worst of the hate mail you recieved was from morons who normally spend hours calling each other "fag" on Youtube. Not to downplay the impact that came from loads of hate mail, I'm sure it was and is really hard to deal with, and I'm proud of you for coming up with such a composed response. Way to keep things rational, SkinnyGurl.



Haters make you famous, right? :p