Shit Model Management

[FashionThin]

This wannabee abomination followed me on insta: https://www.instagram.com/shitmodelbookerssay/
Not even funny, wtf??

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Geez how common is it for models not to turn up?

It's not common, but it happens. Call times usually have some slack "baked in" so the whole thing doesn't come apart if someone's late.

It's agency culture, girl's attitude, and if they think they can get away with it. I preach to new faces that showing up late is unprofessional and never OK. I yell at them if they are late, even if it was "beyond their control" (bc "beyond my control" usually means "I didn't allow enough time for traffic" or some BS like that). Yes I'm a bitch but it pays off because if they get big it's second nature. Brag: clients love working with my girls because they know the chances of model BS are almost nil.

Some of the top names I've worked with are respectful of everybody and show on time. That's how they got so successful! People like working with them. Even if you're a top face, if you suck to work with, clients will book another option. That means money lost by the model, the agency, and me.

But yes there are some divas who think they can show up whenever they want and fuck everybody else. But once you get that rep it starts to hurt you really quick. I won't name names but you know who they are. They are on top for a while, let it go to their head, start acting dumb, then suddently they are on social media crying about "why does no one want to work with me any more". Well hun you seem to love the mirror so much, why don't you look in there for the answer?

 

[sentier]

https://postimage.org/

 

[Joana]

I was about to make a post about this instagram account!

 

[bingeonvogue]

Aww-ing at the comments

*May be biased because of my current Ondria obsession.

 

[Joana]

What do you think of this? Im still torn...
Although i agree 100% with the comment

 

[bingeonvogue]

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What do you think of this? Im still torn...
Although i agree 100% with the comment

Ambivalent about this account tbh. Some of them are funny/seem true/are relatable but others seem whiney and annoying









In case it wasn't clear, I disagree with the caption lol. So okay, unless the designer spends time making the show all about the models and fitting each dress individually to emphasize their "curves" rather than making it about the clothes they dgaf about women's rights?

 

[ZeroDiet]

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What do you think of this? Im still torn...
Although i agree 100% with the comment

Fashion is a business at the end of the day, not a charity. But also, you can be a feminist and still adore skinny? Like wtf they're not mutually exclusive?? (this is such a stupidly common argument, that you can't be a feminist if you are thin, young, attractive etc because patriarchy ). No one is saying you should hate yourself if you are not fit, but that IF you desire and IF you choose to, you should strive for the best version of yourself.

The best version of myself just happens to be a skinny one... I've been 25-30lbs heavier and I was miserable.

 

[Ange]

Fashion is a business at the end of the day, not a charity. But also, you can be a feminist and still adore skinny? Like wtf they're not mutually exclusive?? (this is such a stupidly common argument, that you can't be a feminist if you are thin, young, attractive etc because patriarchy ). No one is saying you should hate yourself if you are not fit, but that IF you desire and IF you choose to, you should strive for the best version of yourself.

The best version of myself just happens to be a skinny one... I've been 25-30lbs heavier and I was miserable.

EXACTLY.
It's a business, and it's strange to me that these women are claiming that the fashion industry is ruining them-

They refuse to acknowledge that they are only bothered because they really do want to be physically attractive, this standard is more than just a societal construct -

Marketing only mirrors our deepest wants. And if it isn't true, why would it bother them so much? They wouldn't even pay attention.

But of course, instead of changing themselves or taking initiative to accept their own limitations in life, they let their egos run wild and try to bend the world's perceptions so that they can fit the standards. That, or they're trying to bulldoze through it, but that won't make intrinsic parts of ourselves go away.

Sorry, ladies, I too wish that I were 5' 11", effortlessly wealthy, and thin without trying, but we all win some and lose some.

It reminds me of the time in college I tried to argue in my Women's and Gender Studies course that being a stay at home mom is a plausible feminist choice just as much as working - guess what?
No one agreed.

People get so wrapped up in "causes" that they're blinded in recognizing that this all comes down to equal, individual choices and rights.

You can teach stupid people good ideas, but it still won't make them truly understand.

The only real travesty I see in this is that most of these feminists are so socially enabled (most men don't have this luxury) that they get to side with their egos and never have to really face reality. They never get to grow from personal pain they must face in accepting perceived flaws they can't change. They just circle around their inner conflicts and pain, and act out like children.

Society does do this to women, and most of us accept the enabling because it's easier than facing our unique faults. Innocence in this regard is ugly and stupid in my opinion, and women will always be "lesser" in society as long as we allow ourselves to be quelled and distracted by licking our metaphorical wounds.

I'm an egalitarian. Everyone has their own struggles; some get only pain and suffering. Life isn't fair. But life is beautiful and pain, as long as you listen and accept, allows you to grow.

 

[marieebo]

Do we have any clue on who the models behind this account are? How badly do you think this would reflect on their career if they names got out? I doubt they're top models, anyway.

 

[Ange]

Do we have any clue on who the models behind this account are? How badly do you think this would reflect on their career if they names got out? I doubt they're top models, anyway.

Good question! Some of the posts are silly and harmless, but they've been selling t-shirts now saying "shit model" and "we all want to quit". It's seriously embarrassing. If there are models out there dumb enough to buy and wear this stuff, I kind of hope they do and end up losing work. You don't have to kiss ass at work 24/7, but this kind of attitude is so disgustingly ungrateful. Make way for the people who want the work and do something else!

 

[pterodactyl]

I've always thought that being a model--particularly if you are from a country or background where you have the luxury of access to a decent education and other work prospects/good economy*, is a calculated risk given the age in which you must start working and that you are in it because it is either you believe you can make a good living from it or you leave it because you don't foresee a big enough break or market and there are other, better options on the table. Therefore, in that sense it's like any other job...at will employment. You either suck it up & STFU or do something else. Basically, if you talk to 50-60 year old workers at a crappy employer they all want to quit too but have limited options because of their age or other reasons. I don't really have much sympathy for young women who-if they really want to quit- should just go to school or find how exciting (= brutal, real, and exhausting) a variety of blue and white collar jobs are as well. Few jobs are a cakewalk. They may complain about their modeling jobs less.


*in other environments, assuming you aren't suckered into something that is NOT actually modeling, it seems to be a decent opportunity when there are few opportunities for young women to work and earn a reasonable income.

 

[espressoenthusiast]

Basically, if you talk to 50-60 year old workers at a crappy employer they all want to quit too but have limited options because of their age or other reasons. I don't really have much sympathy for young women who-if they really want to quit- should just go to school or find how exciting (= brutal, real, and exhausting) a variety of blue and white collar jobs are as well.

this^^ as much as i find a lot of the account's posts funny, the reality is that so so so many people (even in the us with good job prospects) would kill to have a more flexible career, or at least a more varied one/one that is not desk-work drudgery or worse, manual labor with little economic mobility. Beyond that, most people would kill to travel for their work, to meet interesting people and to be exposed to many different things on a regular basis, not to mention the value people/modern culture places upon beauty, celebrity, and youth (not saying that is a "good" or a "bad" thing, it just is) which inherently comes with modeling. Seems silly to me to complain about anything in that career if you are lucky enough to have the means to support yourself with it full time.....but then again, maybe they are just complaining to seem more "humble"or "relatable?" I can imagine "wow, my life is tough at times but my job is exciting but so rewarding, and I'm a gorgeous specimen" probably isn't what most average people want to be reading on IG....

 

[Ellie]

In case it wasn't clear, I disagree with the caption lol. So okay, unless the designer spends time making the show all about the models and fitting each dress individually to emphasize their "curves" rather than making it about the clothes they dgaf about women's rights?

Was reading a really nice opinion in the Nation about this. The TLDR is that it's insane that we tell feminists they can't be *true feminists* unless they care about all these other subjects (animal rights, body image, poverty in low-income countries across the planet), but we don't extend the same expectation to those movements to care about women's rights.

There are vegetarians who argue that you can’t eat meat and be a feminist, both for ecological reasons and because the use of animals is the template for the use of women

It sounds naive even to raise the question of Hamas, because if someone is bombing your neighborhood and destroying your economy, you probably care more about that than that your own government won’t let women run marathons and takes a lenient view of men who murder their female relatives. But if Palestine is a feminist issue, what isn’t?

 

[bingeonvogue]

Was reading a really nice opinion in the Nation about this. The TLDR is that it's insane that we tell feminists they can't be *true feminists* unless they care about all these other subjects (animal rights, body image, poverty in low-income countries across the planet), but we don't extend the same expectation to those movements to care about women's rights.

I agree with some parts but the article seems to be internally inconsistent? Maybe because I haven't spend a lot of time with third wave feminists and haven't really heard the "you can't be a true feminist unless..." thing – this article seems badly written and confusing to me?

We don’t ask other progressive movements to take on so many tasks, let alone expand their briefs to include feminist issues. Environmentalists don’t have to demand equal pay and affordable child care; labor movements aren’t expected to call for the abolition of rape culture

In my experience all these other movements are expected to care about women's rights *we should all be feminists/everyone should be feminists etc.etc.* From what I've seen everyone is expected to be a feminist or else you're an ignorant monster with internalized misogyny who needs to go educate herself!!!! whereas no one is expected to be an environmentalist or a "socialist" as a moral baseline

Once you widen the lens of feminism, though, how do you know where to stop? There are plenty of leftist women who say that you have to be socialist to be a feminist, that you can’t support a candidate like Hillary Clinton—which would surely come as a surprise to most of the women who voted for her, huge numbers of whom showed up for the Women’s Marches. There are vegetarians who argue that you can’t eat meat and be a feminist, both for ecological reasons and because the use of animals is the template for the use of women, and there are vegan feminists who think that vegetarians are sellouts. From global warming to the mass imprisonment of black men, it’s hard to think of a serious issue that doesn’t affect women as women. After all, women are half of the human race, and as intersectional theory reminds us, they exist in multiple simultaneous identities. So is everything a feminist issue? Must women save the whole world?

I don’t have a ready answer for that. It’s worth noting, though, that women are raised to put themselves last, and they have worked hard on all sorts of causes in which their own interests were submerged. It’s also worth noting that there are only so many hours in a day: We don’t ask other progressive movements to take on so many tasks, let alone expand their briefs to include feminist issues. Environmentalists don’t have to demand equal pay and affordable child care; labor movements aren’t expected to call for the abolition of rape culture; Bernie Sanders and his followers famously waved away as “identity politics” the desire of women and people of color to see themselves fully represented in government.

This part in particular seems very logically confused to me.

Also I would really like the author to define what she even means by feminism since the term has come to mean so many different things.

The author mostly lost me at her straightfaced delivery of
"and men will always have power over them [women]" as though that's not a statement that needs to be explained and backed the hell up though...

 

[Ellie]

but this kind of attitude is so disgustingly ungrateful. Make way for the people who want the work and do something else

Therefore, in that sense it's like any other job...at will employment. You either suck it up & STFU or do something else.

So I've been thinking a lot about this recently, and I'll play devil's advocate here. Maybe this belongs in the vent thread.

I'm just graduating with a Master's and in the process of applying for jobs after graduation. I'm new to my field but I do have a lot to offer - I'm talented, trained and about to go make someone shittons of money, and they aren't going to pay me very much or offer benefits. Not exactly comparable to modeling, but I feel some similarities.

And I'm so, so resentful that the attitude in this economy right now is that I should feel lucky if I get a job at all. Employers have started to act like they're the ones doing you a favor, and since you're indebted to them for the oh-so-generous act of employing your dependent millennial ass, they can treat you however they want. I want a living paycheck and work-life balance, and I don't like this attitude of "you need us more than we need you, disposable worker, so if you don't like it you can just quit the business." I did not get a MA so that I could work unpaid extra hours on weekends and still need a second job (which is the expectation and norm for full-time employees at my internship right now).


TLDR: Yeah, they're whiny, but I can definitely see how resentment builds when you feel so used.

 

[Ellie]

I agree with some parts but the article seems to be internally inconsistent? Maybe because I haven't spend a lot of time with third wave feminists and haven't really heard the "you can't be a true feminist unless..." thing – this article seems badly written and confusing to me?



In my experience all these other movements are expected to care about women's rights *we should all be feminists/everyone should be feminists etc.etc.* From what I've seen everyone is expected to be a feminist or else you're an ignorant monster with internalized misogyny who needs to go educate herself!!!! whereas no one is expected to be an environmentalist or a "socialist" as a moral baseline


This part in particular seems very logically confused to me.

Also I would really like the author to define what she even means by feminism since the term has come to mean so many different things.

The author mostly lost me at her straightfaced delivery of
"and men will always have power over them [women]" as though that's not a statement that needs to be explained and backed the hell up though...

Definitely jumps around a lot and isn't insanely well-written. It's the Nation, not exactly amazing literature. I think it's in response to another op-ed about "Palestine is a women's issue so if u don't care about Palestine ur a bad feminist!" which I did not read. And I think she gets muddled because she deliberately tries to avoid drawing a clear line as to what should/shouldn't be a feminist issue, and instead just tries to raise the question of "where should the line be drawn?"

In my experience all these other movements are expected to care about women's rights *we should all be feminists/everyone should be feminists etc.etc.* From what I've seen everyone is expected to be a feminist or else you're an ignorant monster with internalized misogyny who needs to go educate herself!!!! whereas no one is expected to be an environmentalist or a "socialist" as a moral baseline

So I agree and disagree - there's definitely a lot of "everyone should be a feminist because the patriarchy hurts everyone" but to me that's a different sentiment than "environmentalists need to also be feminists," if that makes sense? I definitely hear a lot of "feminists need to be vegans/environmentalists/pro-choice/antiracism" but I don't hear the reverse being prescribed as loudly (i.e. "you're a hypocrite if you're involved in BLM but you're not a feminist too!")

 

[espressoenthusiast]

So I agree and disagree - there's definitely a lot of "everyone should be a feminist because the patriarchy hurts everyone" but to me that's a different sentiment than "environmentalists need to also be feminists," if that makes sense? I

echoing this--you rarely (if ever) hear other social justice movements/ideologies criticized for being sexist, but feminism is somehow given this insurmountable burden of proof (you have to be leftist, but non-authoritarian, environmentalist, body positive, intersectional, supportive of all faiths but also secular, etc. etc. etc.) to even be viable in public discourse. You NEVER hear public outcry when environmentalist or animal rights movements, or whatever, are not "feminist" enough

 

[Ellie]

echoing this--you rarely (if ever) hear other social justice movements/ideologies criticized for being sexist, but feminism is somehow given this insurmountable burden of proof (you have to be leftist, but non-authoritarian, environmentalist, body positive, intersectional, supportive of all faiths but also secular, etc. etc. etc.) to even be viable in public discourse. You NEVER hear public outcry when environmentalist or animal rights movements, or whatever, are not "feminist" enough

Although to be fair, as @bingeonvogue said, the word is used to argue such different views that you can accuse self-proclaimed feminists of being not feminist if they disagree with your brand of feminism. So maybe we're dealing with a totally different beast here, since you don't hear "third wave environmentalists" arguing with "first wave environmentalists"

 

[FashionThin]

I don't like this attitude of "you need us more than we need you, disposable worker, so if you don't like it you can just quit the business." I did not get a MA so that I could work unpaid extra hours on weekends and still need a second job (which is the expectation and norm for full-time employees at my internship right now).

idk it sounds like you are saying you don't like their attitude but then your attitude is like you deserve a job and are entitled to certain pay just because you got your MA. If your skill and experience are truly in demand then it should be easy to go somewhere else.

 

[natashafromrussia]

idk it sounds like you are saying you don't like their attitude but then your attitude is like you deserve a job and are entitled to certain pay just because you got your MA. If your skill and experience are truly in demand then it should be easy to go somewhere else.

Agreed.

So I've been thinking a lot about this recently, and I'll play devil's advocate here. Maybe this belongs in the vent thread.

I'm just graduating with a Master's and in the process of applying for jobs after graduation. I'm new to my field but I do have a lot to offer - I'm talented, trained and about to go make someone shittons of money, and they aren't going to pay me very much or offer benefits. Not exactly comparable to modeling, but I feel some similarities.

And I'm so, so resentful that the attitude in this economy right now is that I should feel lucky if I get a job at all. Employers have started to act like they're the ones doing you a favor, and since you're indebted to them for the oh-so-generous act of employing your dependent millennial ass, they can treat you however they want. I want a living paycheck and work-life balance, and I don't like this attitude of "you need us more than we need you, disposable worker, so if you don't like it you can just quit the business." I did not get a MA so that I could work unpaid extra hours on weekends and still need a second job (which is the expectation and norm for full-time employees at my internship right now).


TLDR: Yeah, they're whiny, but I can definitely see how resentment builds when you feel so used.

@Ellie I can understand where you are coming from to a degree, as that sort of attitude from employers is something I also experienced in the medical field as a new grad with "a lot of potential." However, by and large I disagree.

The fact that it is an internship shows that you do not yet have a lot of experience in your field/with a given organization and are thus not a very valuable employee. In the majority of fields, experience is many times more important than your degree.

However, unrealized potential is worthless. It's not going to make your employers money until it becomes fulfilled potential.

You mentioned employers acting as if they were doing you a favor. In fact, employers are doing you a favor by hiring you as an intern and letting you learn and work your way up. They are taking a risk by hiring an intern as opposed to a seasoned employee. Therefore the difference in compensation and benefits is understandable.

As @FashionThin stated, if your skillset (at this point in your career) was such that you could choose a higher-paying position with benefits, you likely wouldn't be at an internship in the first place.